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NEVER SAY DIE 9:05 Wed Dec 31
The problem with letting squad players go in January

I see currently that the board is filled with sell/loan out Jarvis, Cole, Nolan, Vaz Te etc

The problem with that is:

1. No-one wants to buy them, they only want to loan them to see how they perform over the next 5 months and then make long-term decisions so in reality you're only freeing up wages. That is of course if there's any interest in the player at all.

2. Within the current West Ham set up there are very few if any youngsters that can step up and take the place of an outgoing squad player such as Zarate or the players named above.

3. You've developed and bedded in a squad over the past 5-6 months which in our situation has been very successful. Why on earth would you mess with that at this stage of the season and say bring in 2-3 more players to replace outgoing players and start the whole process over again with new faces. How exactly did that work last January when in reality the 3 serie A based players offered very little if anything at all in the run in. It was the existing squad members that pulled us out of the mire.

4. We all know fans love it when a new player comes into the club, we're filled with excitement and cant wait for them to pull on the shirt and represent our beloved club. How many of West Ham's recent January window signings have made any kind of contribution worthy of the initial investment?

Jan 14
Armero - could be argued he made a decent contribution but IMHO he wasn't suited to a flat back 4 and was more of a wing-back.

Borriello - injured/worthless loan

Nocerino - showed some flashes but in truth was too weak for the PL

Johnson - absolute fucking nightmare and well out of his depth

Razak - who?

Jaanai Gordon - youngster is actually on loan at a far lower level from where we signed him from, early days though.

Jan 13

Joe Cole - played pretty well at the start but we all know how that one ended

Chamakh - pure shit

Paulista - who?

Emanuel Pogatetz - terrible defender

Jan 12

The only January window that has bore some fruit under Sullivan/Gold with the acquisitions of Morrison, RVT and Maynard but that was in the Championship where IMHO it is a lot easier to sign players and bed them in quickly.

So in reality why break or even tweak something if it isn't broken in a window that generally bears no fruit at all? You've set your squad up for the season, they are all generally fit and available right now, fair enough we'll lose a couple of players for 4-5 weeks but that's the con when you sign certain players and at the end of the day that's why we have a squad. Players that haven't been playing regularly need to step up and grab their chance when they get it.

Private Dancer 11:47 Thu Jan 1
Re: The problem with letting squad players go in January

Maybe I'm mad, but I still think that Jarvis has something to offer, the same with Nolan. RVT and CFC need outing though.

Dapablo 11:41 Thu Jan 1
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"unlikely that he'd do any worse"

Of course it's likely they'll do worse, do you actually watch any football at all?

Mr Polite 11:37 Thu Jan 1
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I'd rather see a young player given a chance instead of someone like JOB. I don't dislike him, he did a job for us when we needed it, but his being played now is hampering youth development.

Would much rather see a younger lad out in, unlikely that he'd do any worse, but the go with the low standard that you know rather than risk playing an unknown quantity mentality is what has seen so many below average players play so many games for us under the fat oaf.

Potts or Chambers or even Fanimo would do just as average a job than JOB and at the very least would help develop them.

Lletget, Sadlier or even Bywater would have at least the same impact as Nolan and would help develop them. But no, when the youths play they'll all be thrown In together in a much weaker team, get demolished just so the fat oaf can think he is proving himself right.

terry-h 11:30 Thu Jan 1
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Silva is a lovely skilful little player,but I can't see him fitting in with the Hoofmeister General. Is this Sullivan giving his manager enough rope to hang himself with??

Sven Roeder 11:23 Thu Jan 1
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Poyet has been back for a few weeks now. Agree that he may go back on loan once Kouyate is back depending on what our injury situation is.
Is there any more on this Rafa Silva? Is he meant to be an attacking midfielder to replace Zarate. Don't mind these loan before you buy deals as long as we have a fixed right to buy if he turns out ok.

Willtell 10:55 Thu Jan 1
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Is Poyet back with us now as he's still listed at Huddersfield. He's not played for Huddersfield recently and his Tweets are as if he's back...

ludo21 10:24 Wed Dec 31
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Presumably Poyet will go out on loan again if we are not going to start using him.... I would imagine this will be at the end of Jan once the Africans start returning.

See no need to keep Vaz Te or Jarvis (or Cole, but I can't see anyone taking him).

JOB offers a variety of cover and is worth keeping.

Obviously Nolan can go but that isn't going to happen.

Assuming Reid stays until the end of the season we might as well wait until the summer to find a replacement unless they have someone already lined up.

As the OP says it's a fine balancing act... a club of our size can't really bring 'good' squad players in as (like Zarate) they get the hump if they are not involved..... either that or they are too inexperienced to be risked (like Poyet).

We needed a good Capital One Cup run really and Europe next year to justify a bigger active squad.

terry-h 10:08 Wed Dec 31
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jimmyhammer 12:36

With regard to left back cover,I think George Friend of Middlesborough might fit the bill. Good solid attacking left back who can also play centre back.

Texas Iron 9:50 Wed Dec 31
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if it ain't broke...don't fix it...

only let players go if better are brought in...

ChesterRd 9:38 Wed Dec 31
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...acting like a moron at Wolves

ChesterRd 9:37 Wed Dec 31
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Poyet was a regular starter at Championship level, he should be making the bench. Allardyce is talking crap about being one for the future, he's not a 16 year old.

Joey O'Brien is drinking buddies with Sam's adopted children and an absolute waste of space at PL level. He needs getting rid. We are not a charity, paying someone his wage because he's a nice bloke?

I thought Johnson did OK after fearing the worst. As far as I was aware he got his shit together after.

franksfat&slow&wank 2:06 Wed Dec 31
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I'd rather see poyet get a run in the side if song is now off as well

4th isn't happening so play the squad

jimmyhammer 12:36 Wed Dec 31
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Nagel 10:35 Wed Dec 31

Agreed re full back cover, O'Brien was woeful on Sunday, as he is in any set up though. Truly shocking player who surely won't last when BFS finally departs.

Think we should be looking at player like Sam Byram at Leeds or Keiron Trippier at Burnley, along with signing Jenkinson on a permanent basis.

Any ideas for Left Back cover?

Jasnik 12:08 Wed Dec 31
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From the start Sam always said Poyet was one for the future. He also said he would only get a run out in cup games. So don't understand why so many are surprised he is not playing.

CARTERS 11:52 Wed Dec 31
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NSD
For goodness sake why post such commonsense on here?
Nevertheless if there was someone out there worth having why not.
According to reports some league 2 Spaniard is rumoured in and all the BS that goes with it.
Just what is wrong with Diego Poyet?
If he's not up to it why sign him.
Ditto Zarate.Just what has he done wrong.?
if Nolan is a better striker than Zarate I knopw SFA about this game that I've been following for 60 years.
50 of them as a WH supporter.
Fuckin Allardyce...........

Billy Blagg 11:43 Wed Dec 31
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Can't argue with any of your logic Nev. Just don't understand the Zarate thing at all. Even if he doesn't play much why not keep him on the bench and if he wants to go in the summer then let him. On the other hand I don't understand this 'Sam never wanted him but the Gold's did' shite. As BFS picks the team isn't a recipe for disaster (particularly when G&S's signing looked better than many of Sam's).

Nicey 11:28 Wed Dec 31
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Sorry Ernie, I don't want to anger you especially at this time of the year.

Andy Carroll is a regular starter and plays in the majority of west hams games.

AKA ERNIE 11:16 Wed Dec 31
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Andy carrol a fringe player !!
Fucking hell you do type some shit

Russ of the BML 11:10 Wed Dec 31
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1. That is, of course, unless you take a hit and sell them at low price so clubs take the risk and buy them. It would free up squad places and wages.

2. Agreed. This needs to be addressed sharpish.

3. Sort of agree. But let's be honest Jarvis and Vaz Te aren't even getting a look in when we are short. May aswell get rid and look to get in a couple of young players that can be drilled and moulded.

4. If you call Demba Ba recent then there is your answer. But, you have a point.

I think the benefit of this transfer window is that we are not looking to purchase a player or players to get us out the shit. We can tinker with the squad and bring in a few fresh faces but we aren't in a position to be desperate.

Nicey 10:44 Wed Dec 31
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I understand our skipper and record signing like a good night out so I imagine Johnson would have been very popular.

Honest Hammer 10:38 Wed Dec 31
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Nicey, that has nothing to do with his time at West Ham.

He was very popular with the squad as well.

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